There's no feats indicating that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would be able to get through the Doomslayer's armor. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. 5 years ago. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and destroy reality, in Marvel Comics. let's wait and see his actual feats. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. Thanos (w/ HOTU) vs. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. Thanos Hotu and Great Evil Beast 49%. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . 8 years ago. 3. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. 2. 7 K. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Aka via ap advantage Oblivion alone has Infinite Spatial Dimensions and is described as a realm which contains all Change and Variation within it. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. 3. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. 0. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. The Beyonder didn’t know. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was also omnipotent "And another "slight" parameter. No prep and no knowledge. ago. Hesperus 25 d . New comments cannot be posted. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL Existence(or, All-Fiction)". Pre-retcon: The universe was his plaything. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Hey guy's! aaj jo mai batane jaa rha hoon #Marvel ke most powerful character jo sirf marvel multiiverse me hi nhi balki dusre companies ke multiverse se bada. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder casually eliminated Death from the universe and could have wiped out the universe in a snap. All indications are that. Been done here on the vine. bigbran. well omnipotent. Beyonder is marvel. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Then the pre retcon beyonder attacks himself. 4 years ago. Forum Posts. The only thing the Beyonder wasn’t able to do was truly understand what it was like to not be the Beyonder. FIRST COSMOS. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. . ago. 3. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Nov 6, 2017. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he. Fight takes place in current DC universe. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. From what I know of Sun Wukong, he doesn't even come close to him. 11,582. Lucifer and Micheal are on the Tribunal's level at best. -Protege copied Beyonder powers. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Beyonder with no sweat. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. . Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. Followers. Beyonder was an incredibly powerful alien entity from Marvel comics who would becoming a recurring antagonist for several story-arcs, he was considered to be the single most dangerous threat the collective Marvel multiverse had ever faced and was compared numerous times to a Supreme Being whose power so greatly eclipsed those found in. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. I really can't be asked to go. Make an false image of him, From behind the beyonder. May 26, 2023. For now pre retcon beyonder has the advantage imo. 1. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. 0. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. 1. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. . Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Round 2 is just silly, because neither of those characters would be ANY help to Superman, much less to Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. Lucifer is way above pre Retcon BeyonderPRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. #1 Nicholas_Jones. Thanos wins this. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. Post-retcon is still strong, there’s no doubt about that, but he’s still much much weaker than his Pre-retcon counterpart:. This is a spite thread then . God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". A. He's about cause and effect and. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Pre retcon beyonder solos his own verse is larger than the maverl omniverse. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. No one. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. -5. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. Beyonder isnt really known for prep anyways. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. let's wait and see his actual feats. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. 2. I don't think that Pre-retcon Beyonder in pic but. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. Beyonder, when first created, could defeat Galactus, because he was. Locked post. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. #1 Omega48. remember wanda during HOM rewrote/destroyed 98 percent of the multiverse. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. No prep and no knowledge. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Round 1: CAS vs. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. She surpasses him in raw power by far. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. He. This is the biggest mismatch. 4 years ago #3. . But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. But Lucifer should win this quite handily. Beyonder is an Infinitely Geometrically Dimensional Multiverse that is more powerful than a Geometrically Dimensional Multiverse. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. GEB=Anti Pressence. Wiki Points. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. the retcon. Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: Most powerful version of Beyonder, stronger then the Living Tribunal but weaker then T. Thought Robot without any effort. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Lucifer is a different beast. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. VS. ago. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Read my post? I even tried to say that Pennywise scaling is vague, since only the void is beyond infinite-dimensional physics, and not him himself. Forum Posts. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. 0. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. show 3 replies . DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. #1 Thanatic. Share to. . Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. Beyonder erases him from existence. Wiki Points. 14 years ago. pre retcon molecule man vs. First is the. . #capcut #short #shorts #shortvideo #edit #versusbattle #beyonder #hajunPre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. Third, Mxy would be erased of existence by. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Real title: The beyonder vs the living tribunal. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. Because PR Beyonder mentioned how he wants her to return what’s rightfully his, which one of things I’m assuming that could be is a portion of his power he lent or something like that. HOM wanda. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. COIE Anti Monitor. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. FIRST COSMOS. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. R3 - Inhuman/Mutant Beyonder faces the 5. Cosmic armor supes needs a downgrade soon. Prepare for. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Followers. He. Follow 1963. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. pre retcon beyonder: can destroy an infinite-d multiverse and exists independently of it. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. Both are in character. Share Sort by: Best. The value of your argument reached the negatives the moment you put fodder Beyonder above anyone here. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. #1. But Lucifer. Wiki Points. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. (Please add any important quotations that may be missing, ensuring to cite the original source. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. #28 ovy7. The Soruce(DC) 5. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. K. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. . LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. You are confusing full power with pre retcon. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. O. However personally i believe the Overvoid, which is the source of Cosmic Armour Supermans power, is superior to the Beyonder Realm. Also the Doomslayer has way more fighting and combat feats. 5 years ago. 1. A Time Lords) from the. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. PR Beyonder can see the future, he can manipulate reality itself, he was responsible for bringing all of the heroes and villains to. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. Wiki Points. Yglorba • 3 yr. Both are Omnipotent Supreme Beings but PRB was God to something larger than. Lucifer is not omnipotent. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. 7 Doctor Manhattan: Methodical. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". Minor nitpick. Living Tribunal >>>>>Pre-Retcon Beyonder>>>>>White crown phoenix "and yet Phoenix Rachel shocked the Beyonder. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. This has to be a joke wtf. But it wont be easy by no means. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. Whereas Spawn is equal to Spectre in terms of. cpg357 • 4 yr. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Thanos wins this. Kuuko273. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1 Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal 4 years ago #2. Forum Posts. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Beyonder scaled above all. loveNwar. Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. However personally i believe the Overvoid, which is the source of Cosmic Armour Supermans power, is superior to the Beyonder Realm. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Regardless. Jmarshmallow. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. If the race, then that is a good battle. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent.